This is the place to discuss traffic laws and other issues related to motorists. http://forums.motorists.org/list.php?2 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:43:13 -0700 Phorum 5.2.7 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2620,2621#msg-2621 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2620,2621#msg-2621 Bliddy Boh Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:40:15 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2620,2620#msg-2620 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2620,2620#msg-2620 What do you say? Is it legal to just track someone with out disclosure?
Thanks
Mark, Minnesota]]> markmetcalf Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:12:50 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2354,2619#msg-2619 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2354,2619#msg-2619
In the papers I received you initial that you understand what a warn is by definition.

The tricky thing is it allows you to drive with a warn, doesn't mean you should.

I had to look over my papers again, but have never got a warn. You can't really drink to excess when this is in your car the previous night,

unless your certain you have waited long enough. Sometimes you have to wait like 18 - 24 hours.

If not the breathalyzer will give you a viol. It only takes .02, not .04 / .06.

I'm thinking this guy from NY got his license revoked. Again you have to wait, for example you drink 12 heinekins at 11pm.

You have to wait 24 hours. You can't drive until 11pm the next day depending on your height , weight may be longer or shorter.

If you drink 9 Heinekens at 11pm you could drive around 6pm, but again that's 19 hours. It's a long time, but better than getting a lockout.

Any lockout looks bad even the start-up lockouts, plus it's 50 dollars as well. 2 lockouts for start-up's 10 year revocation. Fuck it

I'd rather get a felony and a third dui than lose my license for 10 straight years.]]> wtf peeps ? Discuss NMA Issues Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:53:08 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2618,2618#msg-2618 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2618,2618#msg-2618 cillak1865 Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:53:16 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2283,2617#msg-2617 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2283,2617#msg-2617 Our attorney's office called installer he said he would write letter stating he was aware of the faulty unit head and that he changed it. But two days later said we would have to go through smart start corporate because he cant be involved in legal matters. My question is if we get smart start to show that the unit was faulty and send that to dmv can we still get a hearing? Also the medical reason the mail wasn't checked which we provided to dmv through attorney wouldn't that be enough? And how long does it take to hear back from dmv after they received the letter?They sent us our first hearing not authorized letter on may 7th requesting us to provide reason for not getting the notice of suspension letter. May 21st response/proof of reason letter from the attorney and doctor was sent to dmv. Has anyone had success in receiving a hearing after the 10 day window? Is there anything else we can do if we are still denied a hearing? It wasn't even a violation it was a warn and both of the warns on the logs say .0007 as reading. How is that above the threshold of violation? IT WAS A WARN AND A FAULTY UNIT HEAD. Oh and by the way I asked if we could get the camera installed we would pay the extra for it and the installer said that it is not offered in NC... wow..]]> Tersk Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:18:27 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2283,2616#msg-2616 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2283,2616#msg-2616 cell phone jammers but I don't know whether I can buy one for the sake of classroom order.]]> burtpulizzi Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:44:35 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,524,2615#msg-2615 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,524,2615#msg-2615 cell phone jammer has been a hot topic in society now. Which side you stand by, jamming or not, it depends on you.]]> burtpulizzi Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:41:38 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2614#msg-2614 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2614#msg-2614 debbie Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 11 Jun 2013 04:09:44 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2613#msg-2613 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2613#msg-2613 cmw347 Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:42:24 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2612#msg-2612 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2612#msg-2612
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To: Georgia Dept. of Driver Services June 6th, 2013
CSLR
P.O. Box 80447
Conyers, GA 30013

On May 3, 2013, I received a traffic citation on Interstate 75 in Turner County near Ashburn, Georgia. The citation number is REDACTED and was for driving 86 mph in a 70 mph zone. This citation was incorrect; at the time I was driving 75 mph in a 70 mph zone. The highway patrol officer, Bobby Caton, insisted the state’s speed device was correct, but I know I was driving 75 mph. So, either the speed device was incorrect, or it was aimed at a different vehicle. At any rate, the highway patrol officer issued a citation. I have paid the fine ($282.00) for that citation, not because I am guilty (I am not), but because I can’t afford the time or the gas to come back to Georgia to explain the facts to the court. Yesterday, I received a notice from the State of Georgia telling me that the traffic infraction for which I have been judged guilty carries an additional fine of $200.00. I have been wrongly convicted of one crime twice.

As you have directed, enclosed is an additional cashier’s check for $200.00. To be clear, I am guilty of driving 75 mph in a 70 mph zone. But, I am not guilty of driving 86 mph in a 70 mph zone nor am I guilty of driving the excessive speed which would result in the additional fine of $200. Please understand I know both the original speeding ticket and this additional “super-speeder” fine are based on a fabrication created by a State of Georgia highway patrol officer, and this lie is the responsibility of the State of Georgia to correct and to ensure it never happens again.

Note that it appears the State of Georgia has created a false Driver’s License for me (LIC. NO REDACTED). It is against Florida law for me to have an active driver’s license in both Florida, my state of residence, and any other state. If the State of Georgia has established a driver’s license under my name, you must cancel it immediately and remove all records of its existence. I have never applied for a driver’s license in Georgia and it appears the State of Georgia has stolen some of the personal identity information contained on my Florida driver’s license to create a new identity with a Georgia driver’s license.

Because of this incident, and the dishonesty of the State of Georgia, I will do my small part to ensure that the people I know, and the people they know, avoid travelling through, or spending money in, your state. If this lie had been perpetrated on me, and me alone, we could conclude that it is just a small problem, but the following URL indicates the State of Georgia has a systemic problem of lying and stealing from out-of-state drivers: [forums.motorists.org]

Sincerely,


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It seems pretty clear to me that your husband is eating or drinking something thats causing false positives. HUGE amounts of things can cause false positives, not just mouthwash or hairspray or other obvious things.

The situation is, you cannot eat/drink 15 minutes before blowing, and you must swish with water before you blow.

You probably need to find out the rules about other people driving your car. I am the only person who is ever in my car. I dont even let mechanics blow into it. When I have car work done, I stay with my car the whole time, and I blow into it if/when they need it to start. I have worked too hard on this to be ruined again b/c of what someone else has done (eaten or drank). If you find out that its not allowed, you really should set up a different driving arrangement where you are the only person driving that car. That could be in your favor at the hearing, that you are being pro-active.

With a 3 yr revocation, your rolling test used to have to be under .004. Now, it must be .000. The only way to do that is to be sure you have absolutely NO sugar residue in your mouth when you are driving. DMV koows that the legal limit is .080, and they know that .010 is extremely low, and usually is sugar residue. But they have overwhelming lobbying, and they have to respond to that. Are any of your rolling tests followed by ,000? That would be what you need to show that it was food residue, not drinking, that caused the false positive.]]> Wanttosucceed Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:03:52 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2604,2610#msg-2610 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2604,2610#msg-2610
After a certain amount of violations you get a service lockout. Meaning that if you do not go in within that amount of time the device will just lock you out no matter what. You are going in so the installer can check the condition of the device.]]> Bliddy Boh Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 04 Jun 2013 07:38:37 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2609#msg-2609 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2609#msg-2609
Vehicle Off Test Ignored
RUNNING TEST REVIEW, BAC: 0.011, Event Date: 2/7/2013 5:28:34 PM
RUNNING TEST REVIEW, BAC: 0.01, Event Date 2/8/2013 5:31:10 AM

I have no idea what to make of this- 5:30 in the morning is when my husband leaves for work, 5:30 in the evening is when he comes home. They've had mandatory overtime for I don't know how long. And my husband doesn't drink at all. I know it doesn't matter to the DMV who was driving the car and I don't plan to try to argue or prove that my husband had the car, but I don't know how to defend myself against a running test of .01 if obviously the test to start the car didn't register anything. It doesn't even tell me what the tests before and after show so they look like isolated incidents that happened after the car started without detecting anything at all. I know it will start if the BAC is low enough but if there was anything the device detected, I would think it would be listed here.

And what does "Vehicle Off Test Ignored" mean? We definitely never ignore a test. I've pulled over on the side of the road many, many times to do the start tests where you have to turn the car off and then test again to get going. We don't ever ignore a running test or anything having to do with the device. I am terrified of losing my license. This is more stress than I can handle. I have a chronic illness, I have two toddlers so I've always got a doctor's appointment to go to. And if they take my license for a year and then put this thing back on my car for another three, what's to keep me from complying for over a year like I have now and something like this happening again?

Does the DMV recognize the margin of error and do they take it into consideration? I would think so, but if they do, why are they calling me in? I don't understand why it's not obvious that this was not a case of drunk driving. If anybody can help me with any of these questions I would be very grateful. Thanks.]]> janelle1010 Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 04 Jun 2013 00:20:21 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2608#msg-2608 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2608#msg-2608
Hopefully you have requested your file. That should explain what you need to know. It really sounds like a device problem.

You shouldnt be concerned about the ?false starts; if you turn off your engine, the NC device gives you a small amount of time to re-start it. If you had gone over that period of time, you would not have been able to start your ignition without blowing again.

My hearing was nerve racking. I have been through a lot of turmoil and losses that are un-related to the dui. The entire idea that I could lose my license AGaiN doing Nothing, was very, very disturbing. It stil is, because there is a lot of potential for error without even drinking one drop of alcohol.

But it went ok. I just told the truth, and brought my file in with me. I was also prepared to demonstrate proper use of the device, including pre-swish with water. But I wasn't asked to demonstrate.

I just keep trying to move forward and stay as positive as possible.]]> Wanttosucceed Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:26:07 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2607#msg-2607 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2607#msg-2607 Dianna Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:51:57 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2606#msg-2606 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2606#msg-2606 PLEASE INCLUDE ME IN ON THE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT IF IT'S PURSUED!
Dianna Blackburn - 423-240-9281 or 423-886-3638 or email me - diannablackburn@hotmail.com or write: 2425 Corral Rd., Signal Mtn.,TN. 37377]]> Dianna Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:47:08 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2605#msg-2605 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2605#msg-2605 janelle1010 Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:15:55 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2604,2604#msg-2604 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2604,2604#msg-2604 dh1983 Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 15:49:25 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2603#msg-2603 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2603#msg-2603 please let me know.

danromanelli@hotmail.com]]> dromanelli Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:22:07 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,238,2602#msg-2602 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,238,2602#msg-2602
I am really disgusted that you would post that mess on here. Yes, there are some lifelong criminal-types who get dui's, and also try to beat the device while all the while continuing to drive heavily.

But MOST of us are just trying the best we can to get through the program and get our lives back in order. Many of us dont even drink at all. WE do not want to "beat" the system, we want to get through and survive the system.

Don't post stuff like this; you make it bad for everyone else, who do NOT have a criminal mind-set.]]> Wanttosucceed Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:28:02 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2601#msg-2601 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2601#msg-2601
2. Do you have enough expiratory force?]]> Wanttosucceed Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:22:12 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,238,2599#msg-2599 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,238,2599#msg-2599 metal detectors for gold which is a lot of fun and the search for the unknown, they are a good hobby you may be due

some money when you find some old coins, or gold, or jewelry, it's really fun]]> detectorsforgold Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 03 Jun 2013 07:00:40 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2598#msg-2598 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2598#msg-2598 shadgo Discuss NMA Issues Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:19:43 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2597#msg-2597 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2597#msg-2597
Thank you,]]> afaq Discuss NMA Issues Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:15:36 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2596#msg-2596 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2596#msg-2596
When I received a similar letter six months ago, I was also shocked b/c I knew of a few issues, but I also knew I had nothing to drink for a very long time, and that it had to be an error somwhere. It was so demoralizing to think I could lose my lisence b/c of a technical error.

I requested my file, and was shocked to see how many "rolling fails" I had, when I had not had anything to drink, and the machine didn't give me any warrning upon starting my car. I really sat and studied it. I knew about the times I had eaten in the car and got a rolling .03, then it was down to a .000 5 minutes after swishing with water. All the other ones, I had no idea at all.

So, after realizing I was "blowing numbers" despite no drinking, I decided to stop my life-long habit of eating in the car, and I always keep water in the car just in case of some other weird fluke.

Like you, I have also had times where the device just acted schizo, and had all kinds of weird, nonsensical messages on it. Both times this happened, I immediately had the handset switched out, and filled out an explaination form about it.

Early-on I also had some times where I was about to park and was asked to blow right before. In my logical mind, I thought "I dont have to blow, I am about to stop driving in 30 seconds." But the machine sees that as a "ignoring" to blow. So, I've learned I must blow each and every time it requests, even if it doesnt make sense.

I also am a little hyper, so sometimes I tend to absent-mindedly turn the ignition switch on before the device actual says the words "you may start vehicle now." As, I had already blown, and I have nothing to drink so I know its going to pass, but I start the ignition prematurely. So, I've had to slow myself down on that too, and just move slower.

The bottom line is, it sounds like you have had some device failure plus some user issues, with just trying to get used to the device. I say, get your paperwork in order and get an appointment for the appeal. Tomorrow, call NC DMV and explain, they should be able to rescend the "immediate" suspension until your hearing, which would probably end up being 2-3 months from now.

Good luck.
So, I learned that I must blow each and every time it asks, even if it doesn't make sense. I]]> Wanttosucceed Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 30 May 2013 19:05:24 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2595#msg-2595 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2595,2595#msg-2595
Got two DUIs back in 2001 within a few months of each other, lost license.

Went to inpatient rehab/treatment on May 5, 2002, stayed a year. Sober ever since.

Decided a couple of years ago to get my license back. Paid my fines, took the classes and had the Monitech device installed. That was March of 2012. I'm required to maintain it for three years and I'm fine with all of that. I'm just glad I didn't kill someone back in the day.

Uneventful except for a faulty unit there in the beginning, a couple of timeouts from not blowing hard/soft enough here and there and a "false start" last February. I had no idea what was going on but the device was going crazy. I drove straight to the service center.

The technician then told me what happened- I'd started the car, forgot something in thOe house, turned it back off to go back inside, then went back to the car and drove off. He had me write a few sentences saying I didn't know before that day what a false start was (which I didn't) and that I now understood and it wouldn't happen again. There was no charge.

A few days ago, I get a letter saying my license is suspended effective tomorrow. No reason, I called the DMV and they said Monitech reported a possible violation. I said it was impossible. When she told me the date I didn't argue anymore and said Iwould send in my written request for an appeal. She was nice and said that was fine. I got the fax number and sent it in.

Has anyone else heard of anything like this at all? I called Monitech twice to talk to two individuals independantly. Both said they didn't see any fails ever on my report. They both said they'd send me my files but I don't know what the files contain. The point is, we've never had an issue with the device. Has anyone else been called into the DMV for a purely technical issue with no alcohol reading at all? Any feedback as to what is going on in my life right now would be appreciated because I am thoroughly confused.]]> janelle1010 Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 30 May 2013 14:49:10 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2594#msg-2594 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2594#msg-2594 Bliddy Boh Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 29 May 2013 10:56:01 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2593#msg-2593 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2593#msg-2593 Jpoznan0587 Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 29 May 2013 09:57:27 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2592#msg-2592 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2592#msg-2592
But, since you must insist on me doing the homework for you, The most positive ones were draeger and smartstart. Some people choose draeger since it may be more user-friendly. The smart start has a hum you have to do that some people just can not get right. I had the smart start and after a brief learning curve with the device I had absolutely NO issues at all with it. There are some people who also had no issue with Lifesaver.

One suggestion is to get a device you can unplug and take inside with you at night or whenever. It will help deter the theft of the device as well as when it gets cold the device tends to bog down a bit and it is slow to heat up when left outside in low temps.

Having to go in for calibration is dependent on the type of error. Your state should have that info for you. Also, you can read the forums and get some general ideas of different people's experiences with being called in for re-calibration.]]> Bliddy Boh Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 29 May 2013 09:46:43 -0700 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2591#msg-2591 http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,2589,2591#msg-2591 Jpoznan0587 Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 29 May 2013 08:46:45 -0700